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« Reply #15 on: Jan 14th, 2013, 08:02am »

on Jan 14th, 2013, 05:48am, JanisGaye wrote:
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I understand this is an open forum and that's a good thing. When it includes elements of my life or those of my children or promotion of information about Marvin that I personally know not to be true, I am affected. Last night on Twitter I mentioned that too much attention is paid to Marvin's death and how he died. Maybe I was not clear. There are too many books, DVD's, TV shows, especially the recent episode of Celebrity Crime Files, which I watched once and was deeply disappointed, but also others that zero in on his murder. As I said, he was so much more than the sum of his 44 years on this planet and when those who profess to love him so much promote themselves and their own agendas it is hurtful, disrespectful and contradictory. He was not a perfect person. No one is. I think what I am getting at is that I am just tired of the sensationalism surrounding that day in April so long ago. Tired of hearing lies after all these years and that there are people willing to believe these lies. Its very sad. If Marvin could speak I can only imagine what he would say...
I appreciate this Forum more than all here can know. I've learned a lot by observing. If I was not clear last night I am sorry. I did not mean that the MGF, specifically. Thank you for keeping the conversations going. Just don't believe everything you read or hear. There is ALWAYS another side.
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Not only are people focusing too much on his death, they're also only focusing on his bad side. Which is indicated could happen in that... film. sad
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 14th, 2013, 1:29pm »

I agree, people focus too much on the negative aspect and not enough on the positive Marvin did as an artist and more importantly as a human being. Yes he was a flawed person but we're all flawed in one way or another. I think it's the sensationalism from the cliff notes of Marvin's death that gets some people to focus mainly on the bad things.

I don't mind looking at the negative but when the only thing you're offering is a look at the negative than it turns me off and then there are times when people try to "fix" Marvin like in Robert Turner's book where at the end he basically does a pop psychology job on Marvin which completely turned my stomach. That book also had some lurid "details" that i'm sure are more hearsay and rumor rather than fact.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 14th, 2013, 3:10pm »

on Jan 14th, 2013, 1:29pm, MPGfan wrote:
I agree, people focus too much on the negative aspect and not enough on the positive Marvin did as an artist and more importantly as a human being. Yes he was a flawed person but we're all flawed in one way or another. I think it's the sensationalism from the cliff notes of Marvin's death that gets some people to focus mainly on the bad things.

I don't mind looking at the negative but when the only thing you're offering is a look at the negative than it turns me off and then there are times when people try to "fix" Marvin like in Robert Turner's book where at the end he basically does a pop psychology job on Marvin which completely turned my stomach. That book also had some lurid "details" that i'm sure are more hearsay and rumor rather than fact.


I don't get people like that. Even David Ritz dramatized Marvin's death for his own purposes.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 14th, 2013, 5:58pm »

I think its difficult for people not to zero in on Marvin's death because of the way he died. But think about it. Other artists have met very sad endings to their lives and its not the main thrust of conversation or speculation. Elvis, Cobain, James Brown, even Marilyn Monroe. She is celebrated as the epitome of glamour yet in the back of your mind you wonder how and why she died. I hate, absolutely hate, the recreations of that day in '84. I disagreed with the Kravitz film because it focused on the end not the beginning or even the middle. It was dark. Marvin was truly a wonderful one, a Father, husband, friend, comedian, athlete, generous to a fault. He was a human being who made mistakes like we all do. That's my point. Sensationalism is wrong. Hurtful. I know you all know that he has three children and three grandsons that will never have the chance to meet him. Three young men who hear, read and see what is written about their Grandpa. Negative things that are unnecessary. I don;t think his life should be sanitized but respected for what it was. He's been gone for decades and we all miss him in different ways. Just put yourself in his children's shoes.
This April we will have a birthday party for him as we did last year. I will post the location if you want to celebrate. Not April 1...April 2, his birthday. He would be 74! Hard to believe.
I feel the love here for Marvin. I appreciate whoever built this site. I laugh, I cry, I miss him terribly.
Forgive me for going on...I just know that you care.
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 14th, 2013, 6:01pm »

Turn on the music... grin Gotta love these bananas!
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 14th, 2013, 9:17pm »

Oh yeah we care immensely. smiley

I agree about the misrepresentation of Marvin's legacy. That's why I boycotted the film.

It's up to us to uphold his legend as a musical genius and to bring forth his other side rather than the sad, depressed, melancholy side that's become too familiar... *nod*

I celebrate April 2nd too. cool
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 14th, 2013, 9:32pm »

@Jan I honestly see where you're coming from, especially when it comes down to you and your family being put into the equation. Marvin Gaye was a celebrity and people can sometimes use anything to exploit the family. I knew you was not attacking the MGF, but I can also see where some fans couldve felt like they did something wrong by reflecting on his death or sadder times in life. That is what I think was the only confusion in the last couple of days on twitter. However, I assure you that his life, music, and legacy is more celebrated than his death on MGF. I also think that you would never take anything away from the fans; feelings, expressions, or emotions. With that being cleared up, so many outside sources have shown that they can be vultures in books, movies, and news. I honestly think that it is not right how many of Marvin Gaye's family members would have so much hate toward others members of Marvin's family. Imagine what it can do to the children reading those things about their mother or grandmother?

PS Jan, I think that the majority of people here is really glad to have you, and now that everything is becoming clearer I can see some great discussions and friendships forming. Cheers! grin grin (banana power) grin grin cool
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 14th, 2013, 9:36pm »

on Jan 14th, 2013, 9:17pm, timmy84 wrote:
Oh yeah we care immensely. smiley

I agree about the misrepresentation of Marvin's legacy. That's why I boycotted the film.

It's up to us to uphold his legend as a musical genius and to bring forth his other side rather than the sad, depressed, melancholy side that's become too familiar... *nod*

I celebrate April 2nd too. cool


I agree. Also here at the MGF we have been against nearly all new movie rumors. We know when someone is just doing something for the money or exploitation. Coming to think about it, there aren't many books that stand high amongst us either. LOL
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 08:19am »

To Timmy and SM, I so appreciate your words and mindset. Never my intention to criticize. what happens is we get defensive and protective and can't always see what is in front of us. I am past worrying about what people say about me and my past. I do concern myself with my grandson and his perception of what the world thinks of his grandfather. We don't sugarcoat but we try to find balance and understanding about life and its pitfalls. I don't think the film will happen at all. I am disappointed with Zeola and her actions. if anyone here reads that last book of three she's written from cover to cover, you may see things differently. I have the book but I keep it far away from my grandson for good reason. No love. She speaks of the Gaye family yet we have no part in it. His own children are spoken of as strangers when they were far more important to him than she could ever be or ever was. She proclaims that she was with him 24/7. Not true. Her book and play are degrading and divisive. It reeks. I encourage all who visit the MGF to read it. Would anyone write a book like that about a sibling? I couldn't. All the hype around this 'play' is so disrespectful I can't say it enough times. Go to YouTube and see the TV ad in Detroit. 'MARVIN GAYE SHOT DEAD!' When ghouls behave this way and put it out there like that it helps me to understand why some still ask the question, 'Why?' It happens to families every day, just not celebrities...
Thank you again for your kindness and understanding. It really does mean a lot and eases some of the discomfort we go through every day knowing that people will always care about Marvin and his music. Always...
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« Reply #24 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 08:56am »

Exactly, Janis. The way I see it now, Zeola was a cocaine addict and she definitely wasn't with Marvin all the time so what does she know? It makes you question every intent she had in releasing the book. Adding Zeola to the list of people I don't trust about Marvin (that includes Mr. Ritz's fancy, excuse my language lol).
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 1:14pm »

on Jan 15th, 2013, 08:19am, JanisGaye wrote:
To Timmy and SM, I so appreciate your words and mindset. Never my intention to criticize. what happens is we get defensive and protective and can't always see what is in front of us. I am past worrying about what people say about me and my past. I do concern myself with my grandson and his perception of what the world thinks of his grandfather. We don't sugarcoat but we try to find balance and understanding about life and its pitfalls. I don't think the film will happen at all. I am disappointed with Zeola and her actions. if anyone here reads that last book of three she's written from cover to cover, you may see things differently. I have the book but I keep it far away from my grandson for good reason. No love. She speaks of the Gaye family yet we have no part in it. His own children are spoken of as strangers when they were far more important to him than she could ever be or ever was. She proclaims that she was with him 24/7. Not true. Her book and play are degrading and divisive. It reeks. I encourage all who visit the MGF to read it. Would anyone write a book like that about a sibling? I couldn't. All the hype around this 'play' is so disrespectful I can't say it enough times. Go to YouTube and see the TV ad in Detroit. 'MARVIN GAYE SHOT DEAD!' When ghouls behave this way and put it out there like that it helps me to understand why some still ask the question, 'Why?' It happens to families every day, just not celebrities...
Thank you again for your kindness and understanding. It really does mean a lot and eases some of the discomfort we go through every day knowing that people will always care about Marvin and his music. Always...


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« Reply #26 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 3:29pm »

Yeah it does seem Zeola's going for the cash grab anyway she can with Marvin and the clips of the play that i've seen has been rather er sensationalized in some aspects. She really plays up the bad aspects like David Ruffin confronting Marvin and telling him to stay away from his girl (Tammi)

Jan your last post was brilliant and I agree with what you say and i'm glad you keep your grandson away from stuff that completely distorts his granddad's legacy for their own ends.
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« Reply #27 on: Jan 15th, 2013, 9:57pm »

on Jan 15th, 2013, 3:29pm, MPGfan wrote:
Yeah it does seem Zeola's going for the cash grab anyway she can with Marvin and the clips of the play that i've seen has been rather er sensationalized in some aspects. She really plays up the bad aspects like David Ruffin confronting Marvin and telling him to stay away from his girl (Tammi)

Jan your last post was brilliant and I agree with what you say and i'm glad you keep your grandson away from stuff that completely distorts his granddad's legacy for their own ends.


I was bothered by a clip I saw of that. I was like "wtf? that never happened!"
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« Reply #28 on: Jan 16th, 2013, 09:21am »

Lots of wtf's flying around, believe me. The ad is just wrong. True fans connect with Marvin even now. They know. Just understand that I believe he would not be happy with it. Stay tuned, Timmy.
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« Reply #29 on: Jan 16th, 2013, 12:38pm »

on Jan 16th, 2013, 09:21am, JanisGaye wrote:
Lots of wtf's flying around, believe me. The ad is just wrong. True fans connect with Marvin even now. They know. Just understand that I believe he would not be happy with it. Stay tuned, Timmy.


Agreed. And I will be staying tuned.
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