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« Thread started on: Nov 30th, 2012, 10:36am »

I read earlier this morning an article written about Michael Jackson's Thriller in the 30th anniversary of its release (which is today) and something interesting they pointed out that prior to the release of "Thriller" and its singles (starting with "The Girl is Mine" with Paul McCartney), a lot of black music was not being promoted as regularly on pop radio because of the radio shifting its format to not include much music repudiated to be R&B due to its grooves or whatever but I don't know, I think that's an error in judgment because if I recall, Marvin's "Sexual Healing" came out in late September of 1982 and was as big of a hit on R&B radio as it was on pop radio and that it did reach the top ten on the Hot 100 before 1982 was out before peaking at the top three while also charting on the Adult Contemporary chart (#34 was its peak) and topping the charts or successfully charting in other countries. Plus Midnight Love, due to the success of "Sexual Healing", did really good for an "R&B" album at the time (two million by Marvin's death and three million by 2000). If I recall, also, Marvin's album also crossed genres and wasn't technically just an R&B album due to Marvin investigating what had been put out and doing something that actually changed the course of R&B. But due to revisionist history, this doesn't get mentioned yet Thriller, and I'm not knocking MJ because he deserves a lot of credit for what he did with Thriller, gets most of the accolades while Midnight Love, Prince's 1999, Lionel Richie's two big sellers (his self-titled debut released in '82 and Can't Slow Down) and Tina Turner's Private Dancer don't get the same praise and yet all these albums broke barriers in its own way (Marvin's brought in electro elements to the mainstream, Prince brought funk into the '80s while also incorporating new wave and metal, Lionel Richie was the '80s pop balladeer and Tina became the queen of eighties rock). Plus I'm sure some black videos got play on MTV but maybe not to the degree Michael's got (Prince and Marvin's videos got played before MJ's, if I recall). This was just something that was on my mind lately as I keep reading articles about Thriller...lol
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 1st, 2012, 9:35pm »

I think it's the fact that Thriller was such a HUGE hit that everything else looks miniscule next to it and the people that did things that were just as extraordinary get left out in the cold. I guess that's what happens sometimes.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 2nd, 2012, 12:23am »

on Dec 1st, 2012, 9:35pm, MPGfan wrote:
I think it's the fact that Thriller was such a HUGE hit that everything else looks miniscule next to it and the people that did things that were just as extraordinary get left out in the cold. I guess that's what happens sometimes.


Very true. Plus MJ had the image for it and the right type of persona to overshadow everyone else. So yeah you put up a good point.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 3rd, 2012, 12:01pm »

Wasn't it David Bowie who asked MTV why they didn't play Black artists music videos? I thought that was hilarious because it threw MTV so off and made them look so stupid (lol gotta find that footage). But I agree that so many were being overlooked, and as MPGfan mentioned Thriller had so much hype and support behind it. It was one of those things no station couldn't keep hidden no matter what.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 3rd, 2012, 1:12pm »

on Dec 3rd, 2012, 12:01pm, SM247 wrote:
Wasn't it David Bowie who asked MTV why they didn't play Black artists music videos? I thought that was hilarious because it threw MTV so off and made them look so stupid (lol gotta find that footage). But I agree that so many were being overlooked, and as MPGfan mentioned Thriller had so much hype and support behind it. It was one of those things no station couldn't keep hidden no matter what.


Yeah David and Rick James. David actually went on MTV in, I believe, 1983, and brought it up, which caught the veejays off guard. This was during David's "Let's Dance" period. After Tina started regaining popularity, she received heavy rotation on the channel.
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 18th, 2014, 03:53am »

You pointed a good one, about MTV the very first video they put on air from a black musician was Billie Jean from Michael Jackson, as it was already such a massive hit that they could not avoid to get it...it was 1982. I remember when Sexual Healing came out, I was 11 years old and lool remember it was a scandal in Italy, my country because just the title..you know, Michael and Marvin are my fav artists and I think also they have had more in common that we can think in first instance...... just only about their private life, starting with abusive father...singing when they were children and so on....
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